Traffic frustrations rise at new design at 34th Street and 164th Ave

A lot has changed at SE 34th Street heading to 164th Avenue. Four lanes are down to three, with only one left turn lane. And it is causing frustration. Photo by Paul Valencia
A lot has changed at SE 34th Street heading to 164th Avenue. Four lanes are down to three, with only one left turn lane. And it is causing frustration. Photo by Paul Valencia

Save Vancouver Streets campaign not thrilled with city’s Complete Streets program, and there are more neighborhoods that could see changes to their thoroughfares soon

Paul Valencia
ClarkCountyToday.com

There was no warning of the changes, at least before the new paint job just in front of the intersection.

There were no orange signs that read “Traffic Revision Ahead” on SE 34th Street heading west to SE 164th Avenue.

But on Monday, many drivers figured it out when the back-up caused from turning left onto 164th was some 12 blocks.

Traffic was backed up for blocks on Monday morning when a major intersection in Vancouver changed from two lanes turning left to just one. There was also a crash at nearby Highway 14 that contributed to the backup, but neighbors are frustrated with the city’s Complete Streets changes that were made at 34th Street in east Vancouver. Photo courtesy Justin Wood
Traffic was backed up for blocks on Monday morning when a major intersection in Vancouver changed from two lanes turning left to just one. There was also a crash at nearby Highway 14 that contributed to the backup, but neighbors are frustrated with the city’s Complete Streets changes that were made at 34th Street in east Vancouver. Photo courtesy Justin Wood

To be fair, there was a crash on nearby Highway 14. And most drivers turning left on 164th during the morning rush are then trying to get to the Highway 14 on-ramp just a few hundred feet south.

Crash or no crash, it was a hectic start to the new way of life on 34th Street.

For years, there were four lanes at 34th and 164th. Traveling westbound on 34th, there used to be one lane to turn right — north — on 164th. There used to be one lane to go straight, to continue on 34th westbound. And two lanes to turn left, the major traffic route to get to Highway 14.

Not anymore.

Now it is three lanes, one to go right, one to go straight, and one to turn left.

The organizers of Save Vancouver Streets predicted a negative response to the changes that happened here, and are proposed to happen on McGillivray Boulevard and many other streets in Vancouver. That is why they are hoping to get an initiative put on a future ballot (not this November) to demand that Vancouver does not do away with lanes of vehicle traffic without the vote of the people.

Judging from the many people who have been sounding off at meetings of this grassroots operation, or at community forum events with city leaders, a lot of people who live in this neighborhood are not thrilled with the changes.

Again, Monday was a traffic nightmare. So many drivers were used to two turning lanes. Then it was one. And while the single left-turn lane now is long, it was not long enough to hold the many vehicles that intended to turn left. That left traffic backed up for blocks.

On Tuesday morning, Clark County Today was at the intersection to observe. There was no such traffic nightmare Tuesday. However, while watching the signal cycles for 90 minutes, there was at least one driver that turned left from the center (go straight) lane 80 percent of the time. Sometimes three and four cars per cycle turned left from the center lane.

Were they intentionally breaking the law? Did they just not notice the new system? Again, no traffic revision signs were seen a half-mile, or quarter-mile away from the intersection. But there is now one less lane, and a new paint job with arrows pointing in the direction the city has chosen for drivers to follow.

So, are drivers just frustrated and refusing to change their habits? Or did they simply not notice the change after so many years of two left turn lanes?

There were a lot of drivers using their horns. Drivers in the correct lane to turn left made their turn, then wanted to merge to the right in order to get to the on-ramp to Highway 14. Those drivers did not expect anyone in their blind spots on their right, because, in theory, no one else should have been turning left alongside them.

Call it chaotic.



Rick Ackman, one of the leaders of the Save Vancouver Streets organization, also showed up Tuesday to take in the new traffic design.

He is not sure that a crash on the highway was the reason for the back-up on Monday.

“I can’t blame 14. It has been like that for three years, and we’ve never had this kind of a back-up,” Ackman said. “The only thing that is different … a lane was removed. That is the only variable.
Ackman also was not surprised that the traffic was not nearly as bad on Tuesday. That is because his group had received reports Tuesday morning that driving behaviors had already changed.

“We witnessed cars dipping through neighborhoods and going around,” he said.

Others reported that drivers were going eastbound on 34th toward 192nd, then turning south to get to Highway 14 that way.

“After sitting in that thing yesterday, I would do the same thing,” Ackman said. “That would take one time for me, and I’m out.”

One thing is just about certain: Commuters did not stop using their cars from one day to the next. They just found a different route, a route that will frustrate neighbors or the regular drivers on 192nd.

A pedestrian on her way to the transit station stopped to give her opinion.

“Who did this traffic redesign? It is ridiculous. We still drive cars. I’m a supporter of biking. I would love to bike in, but I have to go to Portland. I’m not a supporter of what they’ve done,” said Thelma, who did not want her last name used in this story.

She has lived in the neighborhood for 20 years. 

One driver, while waiting for the light to change, rolled down his window and yelled at our direction: “This one lane thing? It’s  … ridiculous.”



Ackman acknowledged that two days is not enough to determine what will be the new normal. Monday was hectic. Tuesday not so much. He said Wednesday will probably see an increase in traffic from Tuesday but not as much on Monday.

On Monday night, he and a colleague from Save Vancouver Streets tried to talk about the issue at the city council meeting, but they were told that it was not on the agenda. 

Ackman also said that while he was against this change at 34th, and is against the proposed “Complete Streets” on McGillivray and others, he will say he was wrong if these roadways do see an improvement.

“I want to do what’s right. It’s not who’s right. It’s what is right,” he said.

Very early indications suggest that the changes on 34th have not benefited the neighborhood. More traffic Monday. A lot of illegal turns on Tuesday. And reports of drivers circumventing the main route with makeshift detours.

But, Ackman noted, perhaps in a few weeks, all will work out.

For now, though, frustration is the word of the day for drivers and neighbors. 

For more on Save Vancouver Streets’ initiative process, see our story here: 

Save Vancouver Streets also has its own website here: https://www.savevancouverstreets.com/


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7 Comments

  1. John Jenkins

    Not on the Agenda……and this is how the City of Vancouver disenfranchises its citizens. They used this tactic before….remember Larry Patella….they hated him. Voters of the city of Vancouver….and I am speaking mostly to the Democrats. Because it is you who have voted this Council into office. Now you do not count. You should be thinking to yourself….do they really have my interests at heart? The city of Vancouver has lost its way. It has lost its way because of our current leadership, Mayor. She could have said to the traffic planners….have you heard from those who live there? What do they think? If, she did that and she shrugged her shoulders….oh well….then that is it folks. You don’t really matter. This same pattern of disingenuous changes will keep happening…..everywhere. When you vote in November….vote incumbents OUT OF OFFICE.

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  2. Bob Koski

    This is coming to a neighborhood near you. McGillivray will be a complete disaster when “Complete Streets” arrives, along with every other street they plan this nonsense on.

    Let’s be clear. This is more about making it as inconvenient as possible for you to drive your car. The plan is to create mythical “15 minute” communities where everyone goess everywhere by bicycle, on foot, or on “transit”.

    Instead of pushing every single tax increase in sight on Vancouver Residents, how about City Council concentrates on eliminating a bunch of these high-paid “staffers” who come up with this nonsense. None of them live anywhere near East Vancouver or Cascade Park, yet they feel entitled to come in and recreate our neighborhoods in their own image. All on residents, and particularly homeowner’s dime.

    Arrogance writ large.

    City Council elections are next year, and I pray we see a challenger to every single one of these Critters who will be up for reelection. East Vancouver needs a few of our younger residents to stand for election on a ticket to protect our neighborhoods and streets.

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  3. Margaret

    The majority fo the Vancouver Mayor and Council have been ignoring citizen input for years. When citizens voted against the 2012 CTRAN proposition to extend Portland’s MAX light rail across a new I-5 bridge, every city in Clark County including Vancouver rejected the proposition at the ballot box. The next year, that vote was affirmed in a county-wide vote. Citizens also gathered enough petition signatures to ask the Vancouver Council to NOT spend city funds on light rail. The Council voted 5-2 to ignore this citizen input, and has been pushing for light rail for years. If light rail comes into Clark County, addes taxes to pay for operations and maintenance of light rail, plus tolls, plus crime impacts, and the traffic impacts of cutting off access to existing lanes of traffic as a means to incentive use of public transit will dramatically alter Vancouver, and the county. Less safe, more traffic congestion, higher taxes.

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  4. John Jenkins

    This is a follow-up to my post below….I travel from the absolute West edge of Vancouver to the absolute East edge of Vancouver every week, twice and sometimes 3 times a week. I have a hobby on the East side that isn’t on the West side. That said, I have taken every road possible to get from here to there and back. I traveled this new section of road, 34th street. All the way from 192nd to 164th. Yep, its a bone-head stretch of zigs and zags where a straight, safe, navigable road used to be. But HEY, lots of room for all of those bicycles.The city of Vancouver tested this new road theory a long time ago when they built the overpass to 39th street in West Vancouver. They did a very similar thing with all of 39th street. Kicked cars off the street, curb kick-outs….and the most important b-i-c-y-c-l-e lanes. Why the history lesson. Because, way back then they did not do a good job of involving the community. The same person who was responsible for the nightmare on 39th street, which is an absolute east-west road and now zigs and zags….was….you guessed it….an avid bicyclist. Now you know the rest of the story.

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  5. Joe R

    I am a cyclist and I commute to my office on a bike. I avoid 34th like the plague because I have been nearly killed or sideswiped by careless drivers many times there over the years, so I think the new bike lane is great. I am also a driver and, as there is more development in that area, I believe the single lane on 34th will become a huge problem; there needs to be a better way to move both traffic and cyclists so we don’t turn into Portland.

    As to McGillivray, I’m not sure what the pressing need is there for a bike lane. We already have a bike lane that’s as good as most others around town; it would be nice if there were physical barriers in stead of just painted lines to keep the distracted cell phone driver/texter from inadvertently rear-ending me and causing my death, but that’s always true. The real problem is the speeding on that street; rare is the driver who travels at the posted 25 mph; it’s usually 35 – 45. Why not use enforcement? A slower traffic flow would make things much safer for the cyclists. I think there are many other streets in town that need bike lane related improvement before McGillivray.

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  6. neil

    I commute by bike into Portland 3 days a week. more people should try it. it’s lovely and I get tons of exercise and have reversed my high blood pressure.

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