
IBR miscalculates amount of excavation needed by a factor of four
John Ley
for Clark County Today
The Interstate Bridge Replacement (IBR) team says quantity errors are not uncommon in the development of conceptual work. That was demonstrated after the price tag for the project jumped from a $3.2-$4.8 billion initial estimate, to $5-$7.5 billion estimate. But two years after discounting an Immersed Tube Tunnel (ITT), new quantity errors appear to have surfaced.
Retired engineer Bob Ortbland has been encouraging the IBR team and politicians to consider an ITT for a crossing of the Columbia River. He knows it would not inhibit marine traffic, like the current 116-foot IBR proposal. An ITT frees up valuable land on the Vancouver waterfront. It also avoids a large footprint on Hayden Island, ground zero for the project.
Two years ago, the IBR team dismissed a tunnel along with other options including a third bridge. They said “cost estimates for a tunnel are estimated to be approximately two times higher than cost estimates for a replacement bridge and approaches.” That was before the cost estimates for the IBR proposal had nearly doubled…
The IRB’s 116-foot bridge proposal remains a stop light for marine traffic on the Columbia River. The US Coast Guard has rejected the proposal, demanding at least 178 feet of clearance. Whereas for the same or likely less cost, an ITT would not hinder any maritime vessels.

On July 17, 2021, IBR Program Administrator Greg Johnson presented initial findings and their Tunnel Concept Assessment. He praised his staff and their consultants. “We have done our research,” he said. “We brought in experts.”
Johnson said WSP “is one of the most creative international consulting firms in the world.” He told Ortblad: “We have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to answer your question, we have answered your question” in reference to an ITT option.
In a published memo six weeks later, the IBR said: “Both replacement and supplemental tunnel options were evaluated as part of the alternatives screening process during the Columbia River Crossing (CRC) Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) phase and were ruled out due to their inability to address the six identified transportation problems.”
Two years later, following multiple requests for details, Ortblad received documents regarding the excavation required for an ITT. Those calculations showed 7.9 million cubic yards of material would need to be removed. Ortblad was stunned.
“I questioned the extremely large estimate of excavation and dredging,” he said. “IBR’s estimate of 7.9 million cubic yards is four times a realistic estimate of 2.1 million cubic yards. I asked for supporting calculations but was denied.” But, Ortblad persisted.
When that documentation was eventually provided, the retired engineer did his own calculations. He revealed multiple flaws in what the consultants had provided. Initially, the documents weren’t even stamped, failing to show the official certification of the engineering calculations. That added to Ortblad’s concerns.
According to Ortblad, the IBR/WSP calculations required the depth of the ITT to be much deeper than actually required. The only way to get 7.9 million cubic yards of materials from the river was digging deeper. Cross sections showed that the IBR tunnel would be at an average depth of 82 feet. Ortblad’s calculations indicated the tunnel could safely be built with an average depth of just 45 feet, which he shared with the IBR team.

The IBR team responded in a Sept 8, 2023 email, admitting their calculations were wrong. “We have investigated your inquiry and were able to confirm an issue with the model. Duplication occurred in the model where some excavation quantities were counted more than once.” They blamed “third party software”.
“Quantity errors like this are not uncommon during the development of conceptual work,” the IBR team added. This is reminiscent of the original Columbia River Crossing where a bridge was proposed with 95 feet of clearance for marine traffic. It was later revealed the structure could not have been built and a different design was chosen.. Are the same mistakes being repeated?
“While this error does result in a change in the quantity of excavation material, it does not change the decision,” they told Ortblad.
On the Vancouver side, Ortblad calculated an ITT excavation would be just 70 feet in depth. The IBR/WSP calculation required 214 feet. Additionally on Hayden Island, the program showed 232 feet of depth, whereas Orblad showed only 50 feet of depth being needed.
During a meeting with the Hayden Island community late last year, Johnson had berated Ortblad and questioned his credentials during a heated discussion. “Bob has accused folks, who are licensed engineers, of malpractice,” Johnson said. “Bob, where’s your license? Or are you just a citizen who is interested? You are talking about folks who are licensed.”
Johnson told the Hayden Island crowd to “bring the heat” but defended his organization. “We’re not afraid to be challenged, but I will not stand for folks’ reputation being besmirched to say we are putting out inaccurate information.”
Nearly a year later, Ortblad has gotten Johnson’s team to admit their licensed engineers were wrong. They had even added their official stamp, theoretically putting their license at risk.
The IBR analysis showed the tunnel being 190-feet wide. It contained essentially three major tunnel chambers. One for southbound traffic and one for northbound traffic. The third chamber contains the “active transportation” path for pedestrians and bicyclists, plus two chambers for MAX light rail.
Ortblad felt the 190-feet width was unnecessary. He would prefer to repurpose the current Interstate Bridge structures, saving roughly $300 million in bridge demolition costs. He would put active transportation on the older 1917 bridge and the light rail on the newer 1958 bridge.. It would also save hundreds of millions in tunnel costs, eliminating perhaps 50 feet in tunnel width.

One IBR/WSP graphic showed “volumes extracted using InRoads Roadway Designer end area volumes.” It had a line indicating the bottom depth of the tunnel. But when Ortblad used other calculations they had provided, it showed the required depth being even deeper – 30 to 40 feet deeper than the IBRs tunnel profile.
Another cross section calculation was off by a factor of two and a half times the square footage. The total volumes of materials needing to be removed were one quarter of the IBR/WSP projections, and therefore the ITT would be significantly cheaper than what the IBR told the public and legislators two years ago.
Supplement the bridge
A 2002 Transportation Trades Partnership Task Force suggested either replacing or supplementing the Interstate Bridge. It supposedly was part of the IBR review of past works. In a 2006 CRC evaluation, a supplemental tunnel was considered. It would add vehicle capacity, carrying 45 percent of future vehicular traffic. The existing two bridges would carry 55 percent of traffic
The study evaluated two tunnel options based on the following six criteria. They received grades of “P” for pass, “F” for fail, or “U” for unknown.
Does the component…”
1. Increase vehicular capacity or decrease vehicular demand?
2. Improve transit performance?
3. Improve freight mobility?
4. Improve safety and decrease vulnerability to incidents?
5. Improve bicycle and pedestrian mobility?
6. Reduce seismic risk of the I-5 Columbia River Crossing?
The supplemental tunnel passed five of the six criteria. For component six, “reducing seismic risk” it received an “unknown” evaluation. It did not fail any criteria.

A supplemental tunnel could increase vehicle capacity. It could increase bus transit performance and freight mobility. It is believed that it would improve safety while meeting bicycle and pedestrian mobility needs, especially if the current Interstate Bridges were repurposed. Yet the IBR team in reviewing this data created bad calculations to dismiss an ITT option.
In 2005, David Evans and Associates evaluated two tunnel options for the CRC. The “short” option was a 9,100-foot long ITT that ran from Mill Plain in Vancouver to Marine Drive in Portland. The “long” version was a traditional bored 18,500-foot tunnel. It ran from 20th Street in Vancouver to Victory Blvd. in Portland. Both options retained the current bridges for use by local traffic.
At the time the cost of the ITT was estimated to be $750 million. This is about 5 percent less than the CRC’s projected $792 million price tag for the bridge, according to forensic accountant Tiffany Couch. The long tunnel was estimated to cost $2 billion. Both would have been far cheaper than the final $3.5 billion failed CRC proposal.
The 2005 evaluation by David Evans and Associates stated:
“Both the short and long tunnel options require a massive amount of surplus excavation, both for the cut-and-cover sections for the approaches and for the bored or sunken-tube sections. For the short tunnels, the surplus excavation is estimated between 1-1.5 million cubic yards of material using the minimal sections. The long tunnel is estimated to create between two and 3.5 million cubic yards of material for disposal.”
The experts at WSP and the IBR appear to have failed to compare their 7.9 million cubic yard excavated material estimate with previous studies. If they had, they would have realized there was an error. But it took retired engineer Ortblad to reveal the problem, which taxpayers have now spent six figures of their money on.
The failed CRC was labeled “a light rail project in search of a bridge” by an Oregon Supreme Court Justice. The Federal Highway Administrator from Oregon told people they were basically building a platform for light rail to cross the river into Vancouver.
The current $7.5 billion project includes $2 billion for light rail. As Ortblad noted, light rail could be added later and placed on one of the two current Interstate Bridge structures. His faith in the value of an ITT has only increased in light of recent disclosures.
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Good article and presentation, John!
The “sheeple” will lap up whatever greggy-boy johnson says, because he has the soapbox and the title. Not necessarily the facts, nor the truth, but he does have the limelight.
The IBR Program is already shaping up to be one of the biggest, most expensive boondoggles in the western U.S. history. The graft that some will get from this project, if not reined in, will be unbelievable.
Interesting how the Columbian seems to be all “crickets chirping” on this, isn’t it?
Who else do you refer to as boy, Susan?
Thank you, Susan!
There are so many “half-truths” and misleading statements by the IBR. They tell us transit ridership on the I-5 corridor will increase to 26,000-33,000 riders a day. No way! Presently, less than 1,000 people ride C-Tran Express Buses daily over the Columbia River. The IBR is fabricating numbers to propagate the lie that we need light rail.
We’re buillding a bridge over the Columbia River in Hood River for $520 million. We could spend $1 billion or less and do the same here!
Let’s save our historic bridge! Repurpose it and build a separate crossing! Either a tunnel or a separate bridge would add vehicle capacity, which is the only thing that will reduce traffic congestion.
Yes! Save the bridge which should be designated a historic landmark! Build a tunnel and keep the bridge for just local traffic to the island and North Portland.
“Johnson said WSP “is one of the most creative international consulting firms in the world.” He told Ortblad: “We have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to answer your question, we have answered your question” in reference to an ITT option.”
Yep. They “created” a misleadingly high estimate for the tunnel, and were very well paid for it. Political scientists playing engineers it would seem.
The bridge will represent the egos of those involved in its design. A tunnel would be hidden from our collective appreciation of their supreme top down vision. The voters are wise and know the bridge is over priced and is not within our budgets. Voted down three times apparently is not enough.
Another bridge is needed, less expensive, and would solve the traffic problem. Do I even want to know how much has already been spent on design, studies,endless meetings, and now this fantastic engineering firm cannot add?
Anne — in 2008, our Regional Transportation Council (RTC) published a “Visioning Study”. It identified the need for TWO new bridges and transportation corridors over the Columbia River. Sadly, the politicians led by the Vancouver Mayor and city council, have refused to begin planning for a 3rd and 4th bridge. The refuse to even include one or two bridges and transportation corridors in their 20-year transportation plan.
We need to “throw out the bums!” We need people to elect representatives who actually fix the problems the people want resolved!
Another waste of money , deceit, and putting the public responsible for this dept .
I do not see a tunnel being a SAFE thing to do at all. You have a railway dike nearby, restaurantes all along. HERE we go again, they will spend MILLIOS more $$$, discussing this over and over. Gaud I hate politics and EGO’s !
Metaworld –
How do you see a tunnel as unsafe?
I was in northern California for the 1989 earthquake. The Oakland Bay Bridge was significantly damaged. But the BART tunnel, under the Bay handled the quake just fine.
I rode BART from the east bay, under the water, all the way to SFO airport 4 days later.
Tunnels, especially an ITT, handle an earthquake just fine.
John it’s hard dealing with an oligarchy!
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Thanks again.
Thank you Marlene! Welcome to Clark County Today!
I’ve been a drafter for 13 years and I have used Microstation InRoads extensively, as well as other drafting programs. InRoads is very difficult to use. Various government agencies use it because it is cheaper. But the difficulty in using it makes it harder to find mistakes. People spend so much time fighting with the software that they give up on looking for mistakes.